Questions about transitioning from a monogamous to an "open" relationship

Crispy's picture

 And I apologize in advance for not knowing the correct terminology to use here (please feel free to educate me). When I say transitioning to an "open" relationship, I mean any relationship that previously involved two people as a monogamous couple, where now one or both parties is able to engage in a physically and/or emotionally intimate relationship with one or more “new” people outside of the previously established relationship. For the purposes of the questions I’m about to ask, this definition doesn’t apply to a couple which has jointly taken on a third party (or another couple) to be added to their existing relationship (but I welcome responses from people of all experiences).


So, for people who have been involved in relationships that have gone through such a transition (either as a member of the couple, or as the new party), I am curious about the following:

- Were both members of the couple allowed to pursue other individuals, or was it just one party?

- Did the decision to make the relationship open come out of a general interest in pursuing other relationships, or because one party had already found someone else of interest, and then sought permission from/agreement with the existing partner? 

- Were there difficulties with jealousies from one or both parties? Did the third person experience jealousy issues with the original relationship?

- Were there “rules” established about how the original partners could conduct their relationship? And specifically, did the rules require that the partner in the new relationship notify the other partner when such liaisons were occurring?

- If you were the other partner, would you *want* to know when such liaisons were occurring? Why or why not?
 
- What if the other partner didn't want to know? Would that suggest potential jealousy issues that might cause problems down the line? Or might it be normal that someone just didn't want to know anything at all about their significant other's "extracurricular" activities? 

I don’t wish to limit the discussion in this thread to just my questions, so please feel free to share whatever thoughts and experiences you find relevant.

 

Lou FCD's picture

Mono --> Poly

Crispy, I've heard several recommendations for the same source that may be of use to you.

There is a book called "The Ethical Slut" by Dossie Easton and Janet Hardy that includes chapters like Roadmaps through Jealousy, Opening and Existing Relationship, and Embracing Conflict. I have not read the book myself, but I am familiar with some of their other books, and they have impressed me.

Hopefully some other folks will chime in with thoughts and advice for you. It would be interesting to have you keep us abreast of your progress as you go through this time of transition.

All the best,

Lou


Baby Biologist, just trying to make the world a better place.

Elizabeth's picture

My own answers to your questions

- Were both members of the couple allowed to pursue other individuals, or was it just one party?

In our case we were both free to pursue other connections. For me this is very important. Equality in the relationship is important. And one of our biggest challenges has been that while we have equal freedom we have had very unequal success.

- Did the decision to make the relationship open come out of a general interest in pursuing other relationships, or because one party had already found someone else of interest, and then sought permission from/agreement with the existing partner?

We began with a philosophy that was not monogamous to begin with. But our relationship was monogamous anyway for the first three years. We formally opened it after our lives began developing in new directions and we were each meeting lots of new people. As an aside, for the first three years of our relationship we were living on a boat and every waking moment not spent at work was spent at the marina doing things related to keeping our home afloat, so we were very tightly bonded to each other and to a mutual project. After moving off the boat we each had much more time to pursue different interests. It doesn't surprise me that it was then that we began to open our relationship. It was the first time there was really room to do so.

- Were there difficulties with jealousies from one or both parties? Did the third person experience jealousy issues with the original relationship?

Jealousy has not been a big issue, though there have been times when we've each wanted more time with the other. Typically this has to do with other activities and not other relationships, though. It's interesting to me that the jealousy or loneliness tends not as often to be about other people as it does about other ways we'res pending our time. My other partners all have their own primary partners and so have not had issues of jealousy that I've been aware of anyway. Or at least not serious ones.

- Were there “rules” established about how the original partners could conduct their relationship? And specifically, did the rules require that the partner in the new relationship notify the other partner when such liaisons were occurring?

We do have some basic rules. We do tell each other if we're going to see someone. And we check it with the other's schedule to make sure that there are no conflicts. It is important to us to always affirm that we come first to each other. It is the stability of our relationship that makes all this other exploration and connection possible.

- If you were the other partner, would you *want* to know when such liaisons were occurring? Why or why not?

I do want to know. I am turned on by the idea. He feels differently. We have agreed to only share what the other wants to know. 

...because public space really matters!

Elizabeth

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I am polyamorous. My partner

I am polyamorous. My partner was not. When we began our friendship I told him all about my experiences in the poly world from cheating to communication to true poly love. Once we became closer and a relationship began to grow, I told him that I cannot be in a monogamous relationship. My intent wasn't to change him, rather it was to avoid the inevitable. He offered to try a poly relationship. He told me that after listening to me and my experiences, it seemed logical and almost more natural feeling. We started off slow, building our communication skills and setting up temporary boundries. As our trust in each other and communication grew, the boundries slowly came down. It has been two years, and we are still very much happy with each other and the lifestyle we have chosen.
My partner still gets weird talking to me about other girls. He giggles and says "you're supposed to be jealous and grr, not ask for details and smile a lot!" As he has explained, 27 years of monogamous conditioning is hard to break.
 


Were both members of the couple allowed to pursue other individuals, or was it just one party?
I have given my partner full permission to pursue other people from the beginning. However I was given restrictions until he became more comfortable with the 'next step' It started with going on a date or two to more than kissing, to sex, to a relationship. We now have no boundries.

Did the decision to make the relationship open come out of a general interest in pursuing other relationships, or because one party had already found someone else of interest, and then sought permission from/agreement with the existing partner?
As I mentioned before, it came out of his interest in it and my experience in it.

Were there difficulties with jealousies from one or both parties? Did the third person experience jealousy issues with the original relationship?

I wouldnt say there were jealousy issues. One of our 'codes of conduct' is to inform potential 3rd parties that we are an open couple, and it is ok if that is an issue, but please tell us. Between the two of us, the boundries placed early on weren't out of jealousy, rather a 'lets see if I can handle this... cool, I can. now lets try this..." mentality.

Were there “rules” established about how the original partners could conduct their relationship? And specifically, did the rules require that the partner in the new relationship notify the other partner when such liaisons were occurring?
I am a little confused with the last part of the question, but I'll answer the best I can. My partner and I have 'rules' for each other. beyond that is between our secondary partners and whichever one of us they are with. I have no intention of asking someone he is seeing to follow my 'rules' as he and they may work entirely differently than how he and I work.

If you were the other partner, would you *want* to know when such liaisons were occurring? Why or why not?
 Would I want to know when my partner is meeting up with someone else? Absolutely! In fact it is one of our 'rules' Full Disclosure; I want to know if you're going out with someone. I want to know if you did anything other than enjoy their company. A persons mind is far more inventive than the truth. We talk in a 'best friend' type of way. "so tell me more.." "and then what happened?" are common phrases. We're both curious folk interested in each others day to day life. It also keeps communication open, and does not allow our minds the opportunity to make a mountain out of a molehill.  In fact, with us, it is considered cheating to *not* tell.
 

What if the other partner didn't want to know? Would that suggest potential jealousy issues that might cause problems down the line? Or might it be normal that someone just didn't want to know anything at all about their significant other's "extracurricular" activities?

I have a good friend in this style of relationship. They have been together for 4 years now. Adlibbing here he says something akin to "Our imaginations are way worse than our actions. It works better for us to not give our imaginations extra details to warp. It is assumed the other person is having sex, and it is just like when we have sex. It doesn't work for some, but it works for us." Then he would shrug his shoulders. I have no personal experience on the matter, so I can only relay converstions with a friend.

 

Elizabeth's picture

Becoming poly

 SAmber, thank you so much for such a thoughtful reply. I am struck by the courage that you and your partner had to try a new pattern of relationship after his "27 years of mongamous conditioning".

I know some people think that we are hardwired into relationship patterns, but I think your story is one that demonstrates we can learn new ones. Thank you for sharing it! I'm curious to know more about the challenges you faced as a couple in working through the years of monogamous conditioning, and also about how you came to understand yourself as polyamorous in the first place. 

Thank you so much for jumping in here. I hope you'll stick around!

 

...because public space really matters!

Elizabeth

Michael's picture

Evolving relationships

I am curious as to why the questions are being asked in the first place, particularly when framed as 'I am curious'.

Are you just curious, are you contemplating such a transition, are you seeking advice, or are you attempting to initiate a discussion around these issues? You asked for people's experiences, and some have shared those, others have offered general advice.

I would answer the more general question as - with extreme caution if you value your current relationship. As has already been mentioned, some mutually agreed ground rules are essential, to which I would add periodic, if not continuous re-evaluation. All relationships require work to sustain them, monogamous or otherwise.

Some of your questions hint at imbalance or lack of reciprocity, and I would suggest that just as within a monogamous relationship, imbalance in power relationships and in growth have destructive potential. It sometimes helps to put yourself in the shoes of the other partner and to contemplate how your actions might appear, and be interpreted correctly or incorrectly, and how you might react.

This is not supposed to be either a proscription or a prescription, but I would caution people to think through any major changes in a relationship very carefully and to place great value on exploratory dialogue.

Crispy's picture

The motivation behind the question...

Michael,

I apologize for the delay in responding to you, and please let me express my appreciation to everyone who has responded so far.

My wife and I have recently discussed allowing each other to pursue sexual (and possibly romantic) relationships outside of our own marriage, but I believe the two of us are coming from very different placess in doing so. There is a lack of sexual satisfaction in our relationship which revolves around the fact that my libido is fairly low, and that doesn't work well for her.

For me, since that is the primary source of unhappiness for her in the marriage, and thus far I've been unable to make satisfactory adjustments to meet her needs, I want her to be able to find gratification elsewhere for that particular need. I have told her, however, that I didn't  want to know the details (including when it happens) of any physical liaisons she may end up having.

For her, I believe she feels that my getting sexual attention from sources away from home might stimulate my libido, and there's a part of her that finds the idea of me with another woman somewhat  exciting. She wants to know the details of any encounters I might have and to discuss them. However, it is far less likely that I will end up getting involved with another woman in any capacity.

So, as it stands today, the door is open for either of us to pursue a sexual relationship with anyone else, and we've established a few limited ground rules. The common motivation is to create sexual satisfaction in our own home. But I don't know that either of us is actively pursuing any outside relationship for now -- we are just at the point where both of us have permission to do so.

I hope that answers your questions, but please feel free to inquire about anything I've left out. And again, thank you all for your input.

Michael's picture

Is Polyamory as Alternative to Marriage?

Is Polyamory as Alternative to Marriage? A Sociological Inquiry into Jealousy 

Jillian Deri, PhD Candidate, Simon Fraser University, Vancouver, British Columbia, CANADA jhderi@sfu.ca

While it is still a marginal practice that remains unrecognized within official census data, polyamory is increasingly receiving media attention and political credibility. Polyamory refers to a form of non-monogamous relationships where people maintain multiple, simultaneous sexual relationships where all parties are aware and consenting. By examining the phenomenon of polyamorous relationships among women in Vancouver, BC, my doctoral research highlights the sociological and gendered construction of jealousy, illuminating the socio-cultural determinants by which people learn and unlearn the emotion of jealousy individually, within romantic relationships, and within the subculture of polyamory. Sexual jealousy is one of the main reasons cited for legitimating the necessity of monogamy. By creating language to discuss and analyze jealousy, polyamorists provide examples of relationship structures that contradict conventional beliefs about how jealousy is natural and inevitable and the supposed gendered ways that jealousy is experienced and expressed. Using a Foucaultian perspective, I inquire into how polyamory does and does not challenge the institution of marriage. How does sexual jealousy operate as a technology of normalization within the institution of monogamy/marriage? How is this being resisted by those who practice polyamory?

Proceedings of the Canadian Sociological Association Meeting 2008: 29

Elizabeth's picture

Thanks for the reference

Michael, thank you for the abstract and reference. I wonder if we need a forum specifically for collecting such useful citations. 

...because public space really matters!

Elizabeth

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